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[ NNSquad ] Re: FW: [IP] British Telecom says bandwidth costs [price!] unsustainable. True?


To be fair to Sally, she heads BT Wholesale, she was saying that the ISPs business model was broken, not BT Wholesale's.

BT Wholesale already charge for their services [their price lists are publicly available] to ISPs in a way that scales appropriately with the amount of equipment deployed to support ISPs - so, in that sense, they already have a sane business model. Her comments were more on the ISPs retail model and could be seen as supporting BT wholesale's longer term plans to support more (in terms of equipment/resource use) efficient  use of the network through strategically placed content distribution servers

Your polemic about the nature and plans of BT are completely unfounded, and well below the standards that I expect for contributions to this list.

Statements like this effect perceptions (and market stability) tremendously - you are in danger of being guilty of the irresponsibility that you are complaining about. I feel that you owe this list and Sally Davis and apology.

Neil Davies

-- no relation (though my wife is called Sally) and, no - I don't work for BT.

On 24 Sep 2008, at 17:13, Bob Frankston wrote:

From: Bob Frankston [mailto:Bob19-0501@bobf.frankston.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:34
To: 'dave@farber.net'; 'ip'
Cc: 'Dave Burstein'
Subject: RE: [IP] British Telecom says bandwidth costs [price!] unsustainable. True?
Dave B, thanks for providing these quotes. Davis seems to confuse cost with price. It’s the price that is not sustainable.
A wonderful quote “Today there are a number of unsustainable business models out there, and these need to change, Davis insisted.”
She 100% right – telecom is not a sustainable business model. Of course she’s not the first – the cellular world is living in fear of abundance too.
What should BT do if it’s business model is not sustainable? In this age of bailout should she continue to try to maintain control and expect a bailout while inflicting grave harm on the economy by limiting the ability to create new value or should she take responsibility and negotiate an exit strategy that might leave her shareholders with some money? I consider the continued insistence that BT can maintain control to be a form of kiting – piling up problems in hope that the future will never arrive – just like the mortgage traders did.
Alas for now she’s threatening the economy with drastic measures like traffic shaping that will starve the economy just at the time when it can hardly afford it. So the choice is whether her shareholders will lose money or all of our money will (continue to) lose value? Neither outcome is great for them but one does more harm to the public.
When Kathryn Morrissey say “There won't be just one model, "there will be room for many models,"  does this mean that she is willing to sell raw capacity even if it threatens the ability of other parts of ATT to charge a high price for transporting bits?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave@farber.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 03:11
To: ip
Subject: [IP] British Telecom says bandwidth costs unsustainable. True?
Begin forwarded message:
From: Dave Burstein <daveb@dslprime.com>
Date: September 23, 2008 9:33:28 PM EDT
Subject: British Telecom says bandwidth costs unsustainable. True?
Sally Davis at BT just gave a speech (below) saying BT might have to 
block the iPlayer and other Internet video because their bandwidth 
costs are unsustainable. Other carriers, like Verizon, say they have 
no problem handling the video load, nor expect to have a problem. So 
I'm sending her comments over to see if anyone can provide evidence on 
why BT's experience is different or that Davis' comments are unproven 
hyperbole. It's especially surprising to hear BT's 21st Century 
Network, (superbly designed by superb engineers) is inadequate. Key 
competitor Sky just pulled off all limits on their $20 broadband 
service, saying,"it had invested in creating 'a high-capacity network 
that is designed to carry huge amounts of traffic without congestion'” 
without traffic shaping. I've written BT to doublecheck the reporter 
got it right, but the quotes are pretty clear.
    So am I missing something unique to the UK, or are Ms. Davis' 
comments unfounded? Facts welcome.
Wholesale giants say Internet will no longer be free
... the answer could be to restrict "free" access to services like the 
BBC's iPlayer that allows users to stream BBC TV content over the 
Internet ... "One thing keeps me awake at night. In the immortal words 
of Jerry McGuire 'show me the money!'," said Sally Davis, CEO of BT 
Wholesale. ... Today there are a number of unsustainable business 
models out there, and these need to change, Davis insisted.
... the ISPs are saying "I can't keep increasing the bandwidth for no 
more money," Davis said, a situation that will ultimately lead to ISPs 
adopting traffic shaping measures and the like to keep control of 
bandwidth usage on their networks. ...
"We're going to have some very grumpy people," namely the content 
owners and end-users, said Davis.
As such, "we have to find new ways around it… Content distribution 
models will play a role in that," Davis said. "We will see those 
business models emerge," but more work needs to be done, she cautioned.
... "In the next three years… we will see some different models 
emerge," said Davis, a prediction that was greeted with some 
scepticism from others in the auditorium.
There won't be just one model, "there will be room for many models," 
agreed Kathryn Morrissey, EVP at AT&T Wholesale.
"Somebody at some point is going to have to pay for [this network 
usage]," she said.
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