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[ NNSquad ] Re: Dave Farber Warns Against Net Neutrality (Washington Post)I
- To: Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
- Subject: [ NNSquad ] Re: Dave Farber Warns Against Net Neutrality (Washington Post)I
- From: Richard Bennett <richard@bennett.com>
- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:58:52 -0700
- Cc: Lauren Weinstein <lauren@vortex.com>, nnsquad@nnsquad.org
The problem with turning the Internet over to the regulators at this
point is two-fold, as I see it. In the first place, the Internet
community hasn't done an adequate job of explaining the design rationale
for the system as it exists today. You can see from my paper that basic
concepts like end-to-end have been justified according to a multitude of
different reasons. When we see this in tech specs, it's a clue that the
principle in question is more a side-effect than a true principle. The
"stupid network," end-point-heavy formulations are misleading. People
treat the Internet like a network, because that's what they need. The
architecture of an Internet is simply agnostic about questions of
network reliability, traffic shaping, active queue management, and tiers
of service simply because they're out of scope; they're network issues
rather than Internetwork issues. An Internet isn't neutral or
non-neutral; if anything, it's neutral about neutrality. The real
rationale for the datagram network architecture was to create a space
for experimentation; that's why everybody embraced it as soon as it was
formulated. This internetting thing was actually a flop; we actually
have one big network made of self-similar parts, not a bunch of
different ones. Interconnection works best if everybody runs all the
same protocols, so we do.
So when you ask the FCC and similar bodies in other countries to
regulate the Internet, they will happily take the task, but they're
simply going to fall back on their telephony models because lawyers are
addicted to precedent and nobody has given them a better frame of
reference. And once the regulators start making rules, you're going to
lose the little bit of dynamism that's still in the Internet; how much
technical progress has there been in the phone network since the
Carterfone rules went down? Not a hell of a lot. I don't want the one
big network frozen like a fly in amber just yet.
Vint Cerf wrote:
Dave,
I think some very serious effort is underway at FCC to be much more
precise about what is meant and measurable about the notion of
transparent and non-discriminatory service. I agree that clarity is
important here. I think it is possible to achieve clarity and that it
is important that we attempt this because to ignore the problem space
is to leave the users very much at risk.
vint
On Sep 26, 2009, at 4:42 PM, David Farber wrote:
Vint, believe you misinterpret what I said in writing and
interviews. I have never said that regulation is not good. What I
have said is that hazy and ambiguous terms that have been used on
dangerous to innovation. Suppose you were about to build a new
building and the regulations said it should be "reasonable", "open",
"fair". An architect attempting to design such a building would face
a very confused task. You may have the building mostly built and
then find that your assumptions about what these terms mean were
wrong. You may face lawsuits by your neighbors over what these terms
mean as well as facing the need to sue the city etc.
The bane of many such regulations is that all it does is to slow down
innovation and create jobs for lawyers.
I'd be happy to join a SMALL group which attempted to create a set of
principles and a framework for regulation which avoided these pitfalls.
Dave
I have said often that leaving the future of the Internet to the
Congress is even more dangerous. Witness the 96 act and what it did
to the CLECs.
On Sep 26, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Vint Cerf wrote:
I think Dave's position, which is largely unchanged, is that
regulation is never right. Plainly, I disagree here and believe that
it is entirely possible to establish a fair framework in which it is
not necessary for broadband service providers to do anything more
than manage congestion and allocation of capacity in a fashion
commensurate with the service level to which the users have subscribed.
vint
On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Lauren Weinstein an architect
Dave Farber Warns Against Net Neutrality (Washington Post)
http://bit.ly/uAC2i (Washington Post)
--Lauren--
NNSquad Moderator
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Richard Bennett
Research Fellow
Information Technology and Innovation Foundation
Washington, DC