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[ NNSquad ] Re: Speculation, how AT&T can implement "copyright filtering" without wiretapping/dpi...

substitute spam/mers. imo that is a worse problem. would you have every
web developer code in such a manner that spammers can't get thru the forms
and use your mail server? spam is illegal. would you ban exchange? which
has legal uses but is used very often bt spammers? would any of this be an
issue if it was a lone (read not wealthy) copyright holder complaining? is
ap, reuters, cnn, etc complaining because people copy their pages (and
give credit)? is most of youtube.com about to be prosecuted? or google?
why is this discussion only about p2p?

> As I understand it, this list was formed in reaction to Comcast being
> caught red-handed ... engaging in responsible network management. If
> it's meant to be a piracy rights forum, I was mislead.
> It's important, I think, for us to distinguish legitimate and
> illegitimate forms of traffic control, as well as to identify the
> innocent victims of over-zealous enforcement of copyrights and all that.
> Large-scale piracy is a problem that cries out for a technical solution.
> The problem is too blatant to ignore and we all bear the costs of it. If
> half of residential broadband's capacity is devoted to stolen material,
> cleaning up these networks makes more available to the rest of us at
> lower cost. It can only help, as long as it's done right.
> The EFF argued with me at NN2008 that pirates would resort to crypto and
> all that to avoid detection, but that bird doesn't fly. In order to
> collude with someone you don't know to pirate MS Office, you need a
> rendezvous system of some kind, If that system is heavily cloaked to
> avoid detection it will be ineffective. The movement of piracy toward
> cloaked systems actually serves the aims of the content owners even
> better than immediate blocking or post-hoc prosecution. They want this
> sort of thing not to happen at all, naturally, but are willing to accept
> that a certain amount is unavoidable.
> The level of piracy we have today with Mininova, The Pirate's Bay and
> their kin is so blatant we can't really expect the content owners to do
> nothing about it.
> RB
> Edward Almasy wrote:
>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 4:32 AM, Richard Bennett wrote:
>>> There is a risk of unfair shut-offs, but it's very, very small and
>>> can be dealt with after the fact in some reasonable way.
>> I would suggest that the very existence of NNSquad belies this
>> argument.  It's likely that few if any on this list are spammers,
>> however most here have been directly affected in one fashion or
>> another by anti-spammer measures, and I would suspect many of us are
>> here in part because of the prospect of similar unfair measures being
>> introduced.
>> Ed