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[ NNSquad ] Re: Speculation, how AT&T can implement "copyright filtering" without wiretapping/dpi...

> As I understand it, this list was formed in reaction to Comcast being 
> caught red-handed ... engaging in responsible network management. If 
> it's meant to be a piracy rights forum, I was mislead.

As the primary instigator of this project, I can state that while
Comcast's repeatedly denying that they were manipulating P2P traffic
until they were caught "red-handed" helped to speed things along,
NNSquad is actually a direct outgrowth of my GIMAA proposal that
predates the Comcast story by a couple of weeks I believe:  
( http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000303.html )

As for the rest of the comments quoted below, I'll just say two words here
for now:

  >> Due Process <<

NNSquad Moderator

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> It's important, I think, for us to distinguish legitimate and 
> illegitimate forms of traffic control, as well as to identify the 
> innocent victims of over-zealous enforcement of copyrights and all that.
> Large-scale piracy is a problem that cries out for a technical solution. 
> The problem is too blatant to ignore and we all bear the costs of it. If 
> half of residential broadband's capacity is devoted to stolen material, 
> cleaning up these networks makes more available to the rest of us at 
> lower cost. It can only help, as long as it's done right.
> The EFF argued with me at NN2008 that pirates would resort to crypto and 
> all that to avoid detection, but that bird doesn't fly. In order to 
> collude with someone you don't know to pirate MS Office, you need a 
> rendezvous system of some kind, If that system is heavily cloaked to 
> avoid detection it will be ineffective. The movement of piracy toward 
> cloaked systems actually serves the aims of the content owners even 
> better than immediate blocking or post-hoc prosecution. They want this 
> sort of thing not to happen at all, naturally, but are willing to accept 
> that a certain amount is unavoidable.
> The level of piracy we have today with Mininova, The Pirate's Bay and 
> their kin is so blatant we can't really expect the content owners to do 
> nothing about it.
> RB
> Edward Almasy wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 2008, at 4:32 AM, Richard Bennett wrote:
> >> There is a risk of unfair shut-offs, but it's very, very small and 
> >> can be dealt with after the fact in some reasonable way.
> >
> > I would suggest that the very existence of NNSquad belies this 
> > argument.  It's likely that few if any on this list are spammers, 
> > however most here have been directly affected in one fashion or 
> > another by anti-spammer measures, and I would suspect many of us are 
> > here in part because of the prospect of similar unfair measures being 
> > introduced.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >