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[ NNSquad ] Re: DNS Redirection: The Plot Thickens

The mention of http: is very important since that's another
insidious form of denial of Internet. As Esme Vos pointed out you
can't use your Nintendo with "Free Wi-Fi" services because they
require a browser to simply setup a connection.

This is pervasive and far worse than blocking a few P2P packets - it shows
a fundamental misunderstanding of the Internet and leaves you with some web
access but no ability to use the Internet itself in ways that don't reflect
the presumption that the Internet is just another TV channel.

Once again we see the danger in depending on those who not only don't
understand but are most threatened by the Internet control over our
connectivity. What could be more foolish.

This goes to Richard Bennett's defense of Comcast -- after all, they are
protecting http against P2P because we all know ... 

As a related add-on to my 911 comments the Boston Globe has an article about
a change to the 911 procedure -- Boston reuses the same street names in each
community and often police get dispatched to the wrong instance. They will
now send cars to multiple places just in case. What will it take to get
people to understand rich signaling.

Let's demand Internet connectivity not more of that Ole Tyme Web. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nnsquad-bounces+nnsquad=bobf.frankston.com@nnsquad.org
[mailto:nnsquad-bounces+nnsquad=bobf.frankston.com@nnsquad.org] On Behalf Of
Lauren Weinstein
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 16:46
To: nnsquad@nnsquad.org
Cc: lauren@vortex.com
Subject: [ NNSquad ] DNS Redirection: The Plot Thickens

Well, responses continue to arrive from my query regarding DNS
redirection/diversion experiences.  Frankly, I'm receiving enough
conflicting data at this point regarding "non-standard" DNS behavior
(for TW, Verizon, and now HughesNet) that really definitive
statements regarding any of these will need to wait for a bit at

A few facets seem clear though.  ISPs are rapidly deploying
DNS diversion "services" of various forms, sometimes as part of site
filtering services, but more often clearly as a monetization tool to
divert users to ISP-partnered search sites.  

The techniques being employed to this end seem to vary significantly,
as do opt-out procedures (when the latter are available -- these
sometimes involve setting a browser cookie, which of course would not
be effective for non-http applications).  The ability to set client
DNS settings directly to effectively bypass these systems also
appears to vary, and this is among the most conflicting of the
reports I've received so far on this topic.

ISPs also appear to vary widely in their willingness to publicize
the extent to which opt-outs are available, and in some cases are
seemingly providing incorrect information (e.g. Verizon, who
apparently recently removed the most visible pages explaining this,
and whose tech support is reportedly providing different callers
with wildly different stories about the DNS situation).

Also, in all cases that I've learned of so far, these "services" have
been implemented on a default, rather than opt-in basis, and there
are obviously many confused and upset subscribers attempting to
puzzle these issues out for themselves in various public forums.

More info to come, as warranted ...

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