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[ NNSquad ] Re: Speculation, how AT&T can implement "copyright filtering"

On Jan 31, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
At 11:04 PM 1/30/2008, Cliff Sojourner wrote:
tell me again, what is all the discussion about?

Apparently, it is about attempts to regulate the Internet. Not by providers, but by third parties who would like to regulate and micromanage ISPs.

Who are these "third parties" you keep trying to pin blame on? Is the NNSquad group a "third party"? From where I'm sitting it appears there are only two significant parties in this debate: ISPs and end users. Any government action to regulate ISPs is (or at least should be) undertaken on behalf of end users (i.e. citizens), and most of what's been tangibly proposed by members of this group and in similar forums is specifically intended to empower end users to make informed decisions.

Whether it's downloading via P2P, running their own mail server, or operating a streaming webcam, end users are doing it because they want to, usually for their own direct benefit -- not because they were duped by some nefarious third party. Obviously everyone here supports blocking machines that have been hijacked, but that's not what we're talking about; the issue is whether it's okay for ISPs to hinder or block intentional usage by their customers, and, specifically, whether it's okay for them to take advantage of loopholes and/or ignorance to do so without their customers knowing explicitly what's being done (e.g. Comcast, BitTorrent, and RSTs).


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