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[ NNSquad ] Re: Mall's Wi-Fi blocks adult content related to their own stores

Let's not confuse regulating technology with regulating behavior ... a mall
can set limits on behavior.

The problem is that connectivity is about more than browsing the web.

We need to face up to the fact that we can't manage social behavior in the
fundamental plumbing of our electronic infrastructure.

Next will malls remove drinking fountains and bathrooms because kids may use
them to mix drinks?

-----Original Message-----
From: nnsquad-bounces+nnsquad=bobf.frankston.com@nnsquad.org
[mailto:nnsquad-bounces+nnsquad=bobf.frankston.com@nnsquad.org] On Behalf Of
Gary Baribault
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 14:50
To: nnsquad@nnsquad.org
Subject: [ NNSquad ] Re: Mall's Wi-Fi blocks adult content related to their
own stores

Sorry guys, I agree with the mall, they don't want to accumulate pervs
who are sitting on benches in their mall, downloading porn in plain view
of their customers and any kids that walk by. I can just see a crowd of
youngsters at the mall with their WiFi enabled devices downloading like
mad. Nice phone call from their parents saying that they block all these
sites at home, but the kids can get it at the mall! Guess which parents
aren't going back to that mall!

Now going the step further and white listing their customers might have
been a good idea!

Gary B

On 11/29/2010 02:08 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
> When you are the customer of an ISP and you are buying Internet
> access, you expect Internet access. That means you should be able to
> use the Internet.  At what point did Kevin buy Internet access from
> the mall?  Kevin's comparison between a mall offering wifi as a
> convenience and an Internet connection that is paid for is silly.
> The Internet is about choice and freedom, it's not about making
> every other network work the way you think it should.  When dealing
> with an ISP, as a customer, and buying Internet access, you should get
> Internet access.  But Kevin wasn't buying Internet access.  He
> stumbled across from free wifi service operated by a private company
> and is complaining.  This is not a slippery slope argument, and the
> mall is not an ISP.
> -David
>   [ Sorry, David.  While I understand your desire to defend your
>     content filtering product reportedly at issue in this case, this
>     situation borders on the Kafkaesque.  A mall determines that it is
>     inappropriate for its customers to access a site for which it is
>     perfectly willing to lease physical space for the same products?
>     Perhaps this is just a limitation of OpenDNS not having
>     sufficiently granular filtering controls, or perhaps it never
>     occurred to the mall to request exceptions for its own tenants.
>     In any case, your argument that "free Internet" isn't *really* the
>     Internet, suggesting that the former is OK to filter but the
>     latter shouldn't be filtered, is what's silly and slippery slope
>     -- and perhaps more than a bit self-serving on your part.
>         -- Lauren Weinstein
>            NNSquad Moderator ]
>  - - -
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Lauren Weinstein wrote:
>> Mall's Wi-Fi blocks adult content related to their own stores
>> http://bit.ly/ete1E4  (Kevin Burton)
>> --Lauren--
>> NNSquad Moderator