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[ NNSquad ] Re: [OT?] NN definition(s?)


Your argument is without merit. If the user is capped, and paying for his bandwidth he cannot monopolize the network. Period. The only way that could happen is if you've oversold to the extent you cannot deliver service. If this is the case, its simply a case of under provisioning and selling what you don't have.

In other industries this type of activity is illegal. Maybe the laws havn't caught up to this type of overselling; but they will.

Anyway, the signal to noise ratio here is getting a lil high. Its pretty simple. You think that you can dictate what applications your users can use. We don't. If thats not ok with you, there's lots of groups like handsoff that will be happy to support your argument.

Kevin McArthur

Brett Glass wrote:
At 11:38 AM 11/11/2007, Jonas Bosson wrote:
You simply cant compare bit size with IPR value unless you suggest tax.

There's a fairly good correlation. A high quality movie takes more bits than a scratchy homemade video. 

>From what I have seen, the increase in bandwidth is mostly from legit sources like watching youtube, listening to hight quality radio or using more bandwidth in general on web pages or in ads. 

It is on our network, because we throttle back P2P. But if we didn't, P2P would take over. Completely.

I'll tell you a little story, without naming names, about one of our customers. We were one of the first ISPs to offer turnkey wireless Internet access to hotels. Shortly after we started doing that, a hotel called to tell us that their connection had abruptly slowed to a crawl. I turned on a network monitor, and saw an absolute flood of traffic, from hundreds of hosts all over the Net. 

Lots of short UDP packets in the tens of bytes long, followed by lots of SYNs to the same addresses.

In other words, GNUtella.

We broke the connection to the ONE guest computer that was hogging all of the hotel's bandwidth (and they'd ordered a T1 -- quite a bit at that time).

Instantly the rest of the guests, and the front desk, were back online.

The guest who was hogging the network went down to the front desk and asked what was going on. When the manager told him, he said he would check out if he couldn't do what he wanted to on the Internet.

The manager, not wanting every OTHER computer-literate guest in the hotel to check out, said, "Have it your way."

The abuser left, and we implemented P2P throttling for the hotel the next day.

The interesting thing is, we as ISPs are very much like the hotel. We can't let one person (or a few people) hog all our resources, or EVERYONE will check out.

So, if the abusers check out, that's a plus, not a minus. We need to keep our network running and our law-abiding customers happy.

--Brett Glass